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Caught my wife in the act with a friend.

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 8:12 PM on Wednesday, December 25th, 2024

Regardless of a misstep, I know the staff here cares deeply and actively for the victims of infidelity. Every mod/admin/guide has given me words of wisdom and kindness, and the same to countless others. To anyone having similar thoughts of not sharing, including OP, I think it would be like refusing to take your medication because of a lapse by the doctor. Let’s keep on the healing path together.

ETA: cross posted with OP. Very glad to hear you come back with such grace and that you got the urgent support you needed. I’m sorry that it’s such an awful Christmas. I am two years out, in the middle of a divorce, and somehow the universe is granting me an unexpectedly joyful Christmas. It gets better. Fuck, it can even get amazing again. Keep heart and keep healing.

[This message edited by InkHulk at 8:16 PM, Wednesday, December 25th]

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 8:48 PM on Wednesday, December 25th, 2024

One more thought from me on this: it’s easy for me to see Bigger’s heart for protecting the community at large here. I still remember taking the step of faith of creating a profile, picking a first thread name, and writing down my story for anyone in the world to read. It is scary and vulnerable. There is great potential for harm and abuse if the cloak of anonymity gets eroded here. Not criticizing OP at all for his ask in a desperate moment, I fully understand and wish I could have been right there with him as a shoulder to cry on, but if those kinds of calls become culturally normalized there is so much potential for harm.
Thank you for your apology, Bigger, and thank you for your service and vigilance.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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Stevesn ( member #58312) posted at 1:50 AM on Thursday, December 26th, 2024

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It's truly disappointing that your wife doesn't realize the enormity of what her devastating choices have caused, bringing you near the end of her/your marriage and family as you know it.

Her response has mostly been tone deaf. I hope she is working with an infidelity specialist in therapy. She is not taking the right steps if rebuilding your relationship and helping her hurt partner heal are her goals.

What words is she using right now. Does she continue to blame you for any of this mess? Unfortunately it's clear she has not been proactive in learning how to rebuild what she has destroyed.

I truly hope that changes.

[This message edited by Stevesn at 4:05 AM, Thursday, December 26th]

fBBF. Just before proposing, broke it off after her 2nd confirmed PA in 2 yrs. 9 mo later I met the wonderful woman I have spent the next 30 years with.

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Decorum ( member #47744) posted at 5:46 AM on Thursday, December 26th, 2024

Brother this was a difficult thread to read. I'm sorry for what you have had to endure, and pass through.

Cheating changes things. It changes the holidays too.

I wish you well,and hope you find those moments of satisfaction that show up in life more often.

Be well!

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megacondenser ( new member #69634) posted at 2:50 AM on Monday, December 30th, 2024

Wow. First post here, and my last. Logged in only to post this.

I've been lurking here for support for > 5 years. I almost never actually even formally login, but just anonymously tune in here and there to read the great wisdom of other users here when I need a pick-me-up or refresher. This community is incredibly helpful and supportive, but I have always gotten the strong impression there is a definite heirarchy of users and Mods, that there are right opinions and somewhat wrong ones, and that the veneer of support and civility is thinner than it appears. That impression has directly discouraged me from ever actually sharing my story and asking openly for help.

This -horrid- response from a Mod to a demonstrably distraught OP from a few days ago has confirmed all of these suspicions, and makes me think that the Moderation/Admin of this place is actually very little better than Reddit, which can be really toxic. It's a really bad look for SI and JFO. Some sober reflection is needed on the part of the Mods/Admins, IMHO.

I'm pretty disappointed by the way that mod spoke publically to a human being in obvious pain and need. Publically admonishing a visibly troubled OP for not using PM's (instead of sending a PM themselves!) is the height of callous and uncaring hypocrisy,

Suspend or ban me if you want; it's what I expect. I'll never post here again, will be logging out for the last time, and will be looking elsewhere for help. I've recommended this forum to few people over the years, but no more.

OP, if you need to talk, catch me on EDITED BY SI STAFF

[This message edited by SI Staff at 10:31 AM, Monday, December 30th]

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 5:50 PM on Monday, December 30th, 2024

** Volunteer Staff Member to Certain Other Members **

I'll admit that I'm writing because I've been triggered, but here's the view of one mod on the issues raised by some of the posts in this thread. I write not to defend myself but to provide a different POV.

ETA: I've realized that 'triggered' is a euphemism. I mean that 'the mods' have been attacked unjustly, and I think I have been attacked unjustly. I don't like it. Also, if there's no response, the attack stands as valid, so I'm responding.

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First, my hat's off to Unthought for continuing to look for help. I am very glad he found it.

My problem with his request was that he asked members to give up their very precious anonymity, which is never a good practice on the web. If someone did respond, Unthought would present himself with the problem of verifying the responder's bona fides before working on his pain, and that simply would not have served his interests.

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Have you all read the guidelines? The request for contact - a request to others to violate their own anonymity and potentially put themselves at risk - was a violation of our guidelines. Besides, in asking for direct contact with someone on an anonymous forum that requires only an email address from registrants puts the requester at risk.

What, exactly, is an ideal response to a guideline violation, especially when the violation threatens anonymity, a basic promise of an anonymous online forum?

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Bigger has received post after post thanking him for his contributions. Does he lose all credibility because he was triggered ONCE by a post? Does that invalidate every one of his posts? Does that invalidate every post by every mod?

Does anyone think members lose their rights as members and as human beings when they agree to serve as staff members? Do you think we somehow agree to be perfect when we sign on as staff? Or should the staff take you to mean that we've never erred until now? (Boy, if that's what you mean, you're way wrong.)

One critic says they've used SI for 5 years. Does Bigger's post invalidate the help they've taken from SI?

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I am not a bot. I doubt that Bigger is a bot. I've met some staffers, so I know they're not bots. I've received help by other staff members that show they aren't bots. The staff's job is to keep members within guidelines, but we are human beings, and therefore prone to error.

I believe that the bulk of SI's value lies with the members who post. Members almost always post with respect. empathy, sympathy, and love for each other when we especially need to give and receive love, empathy, sympathy, and respect.

At the same time, the guidelines and member's voluntary adherence to the guidelines help makes the posts useful. We can see in other forums that engaging in political or religious debate and flaming turns forums into wastelands.

The staff enforces the guidelines. Shutting down violations helps keep SI generally a place of disagreements without being disagreeable.

All of us here are human beings, though, so none of us is perfect.

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Eric Berne wrote that his patients identified a game they call NIGYSOB - 'Now I've got you, you SOB!'. I think that's what's going on with a few vocal members here.

When games are played, the best response is for the game players to identify what they really want when they play the game. So, if you have reacted to Bigger's post as if it's a major crime against Unthought and yourself, look inside. The problem is connected almost definitely in the realm of demanding perfection from other human beings, and that's something only you can solve. All Bigger did was make you notice it.

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And BTW, Bigger is not a mod. His role is 'attache'. Between you and me, I think he has more power than a mod. Based on his contributions, that's not inappropriate IMO.

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I think it's important to read and understand before responding.

IMO, Bigger DID NOT write that the call for help was 'lame.' Rather, he wrote that the attempt to avoid being confronted for violating guidelines by acknowledging it was the lame part. I have a hard time disagreeing with that assessment, though I wish another, more neutral term was used.

Unthought's pain was real, and I think every reader recognized that. His way of attending to his pain by asking a member to identify themself was the problem.

I am very sorry the critics have been so shocked by Bigger and the mods here. No one on the staff wants to add to any member's pain. I wish I could say it won't happen again. I expect that we all do our best. We can do no more.

Apparently we're better, on the whole, than mods on another website - but that's 'on the whole'. Sometimes a member has a beef.

And the guidelines say: when you have a beef, communicate with the mods. My own experience is that the mods listen. They didn't agree with me, but I was still a member in good standing, despite the disagreements. I was not a mod at the time, but I can do no less that review any complaint as objectively as other mods reviewed mine.

If you have a beef, let the mods know via a PM or, better, a 'mod, please' thread.

[This message edited by SI Staff at 7:53 PM, Monday, December 30th]

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex ap
DDay - 12/22/2010
Recover'd and R'ed
You don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

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Disappointment ( new member #84252) posted at 11:52 PM on Monday, December 30th, 2024

BS Only

[This message edited by SI Staff at 3:56 PM, Tuesday, December 31st]

Me: WH, 4 month A whilst working away from home during the week. Ended A early 2007- honestly, just couldn't deal with the guilt. D-day mid-2008. Her: strong BW, both 50 at the time of A. Still together, though I can't say I deserve it.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:41 AM on Tuesday, December 31st, 2024

It seems like the ideal solution for posters and SI staff would be to draft a standard reply explaining why requests for contact can lead to phishing or exploitation, and explaining the rules that relate to PMs (personal messages) within the forum. Discussions can leave the public forum, but continue as PMs between a poster and and various members.

Question: If a poster has less than 50 posts, can a member with more than 50 posts send them a PM and initiate a discussion?

In the UK, we have a telephone service called 'The Samaritans', which people can phone and talk to a real person about something that is troubling them. In the US, I believe there are various similar services, but mostly focused on potential suicide. To my knowledge, neither country has any telephone service related to infidelity. There are various groups that can be joined where you can make face-to-face contact with people affected by infidelity, but they are not always easily within reach depending on location.

UnthoughtKnown75, I am glad you found a person to talk to in real life. It would be great if there was some kind of service where betrayed people could have a conversation with a 'real' person, live, but to my knowledge there are none in existence at the moment.

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BurnedYoung ( new member #82946) posted at 2:20 PM on Tuesday, December 31st, 2024

I think attacking Bigger is bad show. No one has done more for this board over the last few years. He even calls out obviously trolling fake storytellers!

Everyone knew except me

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wifehad5 ( Administrator #15162) posted at 4:00 PM on Tuesday, December 31st, 2024

It seems like the ideal solution for posters and SI staff would be to draft a standard reply explaining why requests for contact can lead to phishing or exploitation, and explaining the rules that relate to PMs (personal messages) within the forum. Discussions can leave the public forum, but continue as PMs between a poster and and various members.

This is already in the Guidelines, but it would probably be worthwhile for us to revisit the verbiage, etc.

Question: If a poster has less than 50 posts, can a member with more than 50 posts send them a PM and initiate a discussion?

Yes, so long as the new member hasn't disabled their PMs.

FBH - 52 FWW - 53 (BrokenRoad)2 kids 17 & 22The people you do your life with shape the life you live

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CantBelieveIamHere ( new member #83464) posted at 9:19 PM on Tuesday, December 31st, 2024

I reckon I am one of those who was critical of Bigger, or at least perceived too. First of all, my response was to the post made by SI Staff. Perhaps it was made by Bigger but I have no idea.

I am guilty of not going through all the ins and outs of posting guidelines but I do have a general understanding. However, I never knew how to get in touch with a mod, never needed to. I new I could not PM someone because of post count. I am confident there is a lot more to understand. I post this not only to let you know my understanding and lack thereof but to let you consider the OP could be a lot like me.

Just food for thought because some of us newbies truly may not know everything and perhaps the benefit of the doubt might help.

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 9:33 PM on Tuesday, December 31st, 2024

I’m Southern to the bone. Being rude was a sin to most of our parents so I have a hard time saying No. It might take me 5 minutes to ramble around and hope the listener knows I mean NO. In this case I think the MOD jumped in quickly to stop any breach of the rules and came across sounding tough. When you consider the thousands of people who come here for help, be helped, and move on with their lives, you understand how protective they are of this site. But NO really does mean NO. It protects everyone on here. So I, with my parents voices in my head, might have done something thinking I was helping and, instead, opened a can of worms.

Absolutely no one wants to add to your pain. This appears to be from keeping the lid very firmly on. As you can see, I do ramble on.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:09 AM on Wednesday, January 1st, 2025

Question: If a poster has less than 50 posts, can a member with more than 50 posts send them a PM and initiate a discussion?

Yes, so long as the new member hasn't disabled their PMs.

Many thanks for this, wifehad5. There can be times when you want to reach out to a poster with less than 50 posts, but I wasn't sure if they would be able to see a message, or reply to it.

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M1965 ( member #57009) posted at 2:16 AM on Wednesday, January 1st, 2025

To get back on track, Unthoughtknown75, how are you? This must have been the toughest Christmas and New Year of your life, always a difficult period to navigate after infidelity. Recent posts have been about admin, but everyone here knows that the focus is on you and your well-being. I hope you are okay, and that you have a support group around you 'IRL' (in real life), as that can be so important. There are lots of us here that are following your story, and wishing the best for you, but there are times when we all need to sit down with someone and talk face to face.

[This message edited by M1965 at 2:17 AM, Wednesday, January 1st]

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